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« Reply #480 on: November 03, 2009, 11:27:53 am » |
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The government must have figured that Joey shouldn't have been involved in the conflict to begin with, which is why they didn't pay for pain and suffering.
Why the fuck would you say something like that to a family member- his MOTHER for christ sakes? Did you even read her post?  Sorry Liz. |
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« Reply #481 on: November 03, 2009, 11:57:14 am » |
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I didn't say that to anyone in particular, or I didn't intend to at least. I was just postulating why the government wouldn't pay for pain and sufferring if the manner of death is something they look at closely. Sounds like insurance companies when they payout only based on who much they think it was your fault vs. the other person.
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« Reply #482 on: November 03, 2009, 12:27:57 pm » |
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I didn't say that to anyone in particular, or I didn't intend to at least. I was just postulating why the government wouldn't pay for pain and sufferring if the manner of death is something they look at closely. Sounds like insurance companies when they payout only based on who much they think it was your fault vs. the other person.
Well, I still feel like it was very insensitive to write that right below that post by Joey's mom. |
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« Reply #483 on: November 03, 2009, 02:16:20 pm » |
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The government must have figured that Joey shouldn't have been involved in the conflict to begin with, which is why they didn't pay for pain and suffering.
the governement wasnt there so they have no idea. they have no connection to the family or the circumstances, it's paperwork to them. Anyone could have been in his situation. Be respectful in this thread please. and if im misunderstanding you then ill apologize, but don't go to any bad places in here please. |
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« Reply #484 on: November 03, 2009, 05:11:01 pm » |
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Vernice and Icing Sugar thanks you guys are the best. Party Guy it's ok and i just don't know why they don't pay for pain and suffering but it might be because we did not go to doctors or had any kind of medical treatment after he was killed. However they did say in no way was he the cause of his own death. He did not have a weapon or even spoke to joe nichcolson or had any thing to do with the fight between the driver of the car and the guys inside the apartment that day. Having said that and in their letter they do say they are very sorry for the injustice to me and my family.
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« Reply #485 on: November 03, 2009, 05:25:53 pm » |
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Vernice and Icing Sugar thanks you guys are the best. Party Guy it's ok and i just don't know why they don't pay for pain and suffering but it might be because we did not go to doctors or had any kind of medical treatment after he was killed. However they did say in no way was he the cause of his own death. He did not have a weapon or even spoke to joe nichcolson or had any thing to do with the fight between the driver of the car and the guys inside the apartment that day. Having said that and in their letter they do say they are very sorry for the injustice to me and my family.
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« Reply #486 on: November 03, 2009, 06:39:04 pm » |
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I just read this whole thread.  and to you and Lacey, Liz. RIP Joey |
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« Reply #487 on: November 09, 2009, 07:10:13 am » |
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I’m speaking strictly in general terms here, not about this case in particular.
I don’t know how things work in Canada, but I don’t know of any state-run victim compensation program in the U.S. that pays out for pain and suffering. The programs normally help survivors with funeral and/or medical expenses, counseling, lost wages, crime scene clean-up, etc. and are at least partially funded by court costs and fines imposed on all offenders (not just violent criminals). Pain and suffering awards would bankrupt most State Victim Compensation Programs.
In the U.S. at least, pain and suffering compensation comes from a civil suit against the offender (who unfortunately probably won’t have the money anyway) unless the government is somehow complicit in the victim’s death and then they would be a defendant in the civil suit as well.
As for the victim “contributing to his own victimization” – those rules are in place to prevent families of criminals from receiving victim compensation (e.g., an armed robber holds up a convenience store and is shot and killed by the clerk behind the counter – their family would not be eligible for funeral expenses from the victim compensation fund). Unfortunately, it sometimes backfires. I remember a case where two carloads of teens were drag racing on a country road. During the race, a passenger from one car leaned out the window and shot and killed a passenger in the other car. The State Victim Compensation Board refused to pay funeral expenses citing the fact the victim was engaged in illegal activity at the time of his death – despite the fact the victim was not driving the car and the “illegal activity” was a misdemeanor, not a felony.
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« Reply #488 on: November 09, 2009, 07:45:57 am » |
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That is exactley how it works here in Canada as a victim i had to prove joey was in no way the cause of his own death. But the part that bother's me is Police officer's have put in for this compensation and have recieved large sums of money for just thst pain and suffering. Having said that they are also allow to collect workmens compensation for loss wages for injury that is job related. Which to me seems like double dipping.I'm just a little taken back that one police officer recieve over 40 thousand dollars for a broken leg. I recieve 14 thounsand four hundred and thirty four dollars which just covers the cost of the headstone and funeral. Also in Canada the criminals are not allow to seek any kind of money but they do get a free lawyer and don't forget the three hot meals a day and a bed to sleep in every night.
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« Reply #489 on: November 09, 2009, 10:41:14 am » |
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That is exactley how it works here in Canada as a victim i had to prove joey was in no way the cause of his own death. But the part that bother's me is Police officer's have put in for this compensation and have recieved large sums of money for just thst pain and suffering. Having said that they are also allow to collect workmens compensation for loss wages for injury that is job related. Which to me seems like double dipping.I'm just a little taken back that one police officer recieve over 40 thousand dollars for a broken leg. I recieve 14 thounsand four hundred and thirty four dollars which just covers the cost of the headstone and funeral. Also in Canada the criminals are not allow to seek any kind of money but they do get a free lawyer and don't forget the three hot meals a day and a bed to sleep in every night. Are you sure the police officers are using the same victim compensation fund? I agree with you, that doesn't seem right. And as a former victim advocate, it doesn't seem to me to be a good use of limited compensation funds. In the U.S., they are intended for tangible, out-of-pocket expenses - pain and suffering doesn't fall into that category. |
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« Reply #490 on: November 09, 2009, 11:13:39 am » |
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It'd be nice if victims families could be compensated financially for pain and suffering and to help make their lives better. But who is going to pay for this? Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay just because bad things happen to other people. I do like the idea of having a fund of some sort that can at least provide some financial aid to victims, it just shouldn't come at the expense of victimizing others.
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« Reply #491 on: November 09, 2009, 12:16:24 pm » |
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Thanks guys, for your input but it was an article I read in the newspaper about the payouts to police officers and ya, people are screaming about it. In this artlce they said it was under review as to why they were even allowed to apply. As to answer your question partyguy they should pay because the animal that did this to my son should have never been out of jail in the first place,he was a high risk offender but was released anyway. BTW the kid that took him to barrie was out on escape custody and no charges were brought against him, he became a witness so ya looks like someone drop the ball on this one and i would like some kind of compensation for that.
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« Reply #492 on: November 09, 2009, 12:26:03 pm » |
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Depends on how accountable they were for the murderer to be out of jail. I'm not sure what he did originally to be in jail in the first place. But that guy should lose all his money and property and it should all go to you and your family Liz.
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« Reply #493 on: November 09, 2009, 01:39:04 pm » |
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That's just it who is responsible,he was in jail for stabbing someone already. He has nothing to give,he is totally hopeless.
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« Reply #494 on: November 09, 2009, 03:06:55 pm » |
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Hey guys, just got a call from one of the detectives that are working on joey's case. He has finished up the pretrial and says he won all his decisions on the evidence and he thinks we have a very strong case and it looks good for feburary.
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« Reply #495 on: November 09, 2009, 03:10:41 pm » |
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Hey guys, just got a call from one of the detectives that are working on joey's case. He has finished up the pretrial and says he won all his decisions on the evidence and he thinks we have a very strong case and it looks good for feburary.
Good. Hopefully this little shit stain gets locked up and i don't have to worry about him next time I go up north. |
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« Reply #496 on: November 09, 2009, 04:18:25 pm » |
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Hey guys, just got a call from one of the detectives that are working on joey's case. He has finished up the pretrial and says he won all his decisions on the evidence and he thinks we have a very strong case and it looks good for feburary.
Awesome! I'm so glad for you guys! How is Lacey doing? |
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« Reply #497 on: November 09, 2009, 05:54:35 pm » |
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Hi vernice Lacey doing good and thanks for asking. Hope all is well with you and yes a little good news for a change.
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« Reply #498 on: November 09, 2009, 06:30:49 pm » |
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Hi Liz. So glad to hear the case looks strong. Also glad Lacey is doing well. She is due any day now? |
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« Reply #499 on: November 10, 2009, 05:19:38 am » |
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Oh yes she is ,anytime in the next three weeks looks like she could go any time she is so big just maybe the 24th lol
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